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Victory · Dec 24, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I'll add my two cents in here- generally I run with three sets on my ele in pve:

dual 20/20 collectors sets

Rago's Staff

energy +15/-1 set

Generally in pve with heros there is always a br around so don't have to worry too much about energy- enemies are dead before i run out of energy.

As my first cast is generally meteor shower I like the extra chance of a speed up the dual 20/20 set gives. Then it's SF/other fire skills and by the time MS is recharged it's all over. If I'm not taking SF then i'll take glyph of renewal and throw out a MS every 15 seconds or so.

The point is, there is no answer to the question raised as there are so many different ele builds with differing requirements, not to mention hundreds of different scenarios. If you're lazy, then just packing Rago's is as good an option as any. BTW I have about 5m xp on my ele...

Midnight Harmony · Dec 24, 2006, 04:45 AM // 04:45

I love my Rago's Staff, it really helps with my Mesmer enchants, and it looks cool. It was also the first staff to use the dual head skin (to my knowledge).

Katari · Dec 24, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

There really isn't a need for an ele to use a +15e staff, let alone anything more. The same goes for +5e swords/spears, etc. It most certainly isn't worth using a major/sup energy storage rune.

If you want a 20% enchanting mod, either go with an armor/health staff head, or a sword/spear/etc with 10% recharge.

A good discussion is here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10086688 With emphasis on Ensign's posts.

Cacheelma · Dec 24, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Sour grapes?

I mean, instead of bashing one pity green weapon, why don't we talk about weapon mods in general?

Former Ruling · Dec 24, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20

I never saw Rago's as the optimal Mod setup for a Fire ele anyway...

Orphan Anthem · Dec 24, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

ok for PvP/Pve most players dont know exactly what to bring, but here goes

during basic combat you want the fastest cast time/recharge time possable and a main/offhand combonation that offers that is best. get the highest values you can.

second set is going to be usually your enchant casting combo for when you do attunes or enchantments of the like

+5 sword/axe/spear with 20% enchant with a offhand of 20% rehcarge of item attrabute or if its not the same attrabute go for 10% of all with +30 or 45+ enchant.

3rd must have is HIGH ENERGY main/offhand +15 -1 with whatever secondary you need (reccament rehcarge but health is good too)

if you want a 3rd go for a set that gives you max hp/defense

+5 energy with +5 armor or +30 hp with a shield +30 (or +45) with +armor of - damage

Carboplatin · Dec 24, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Now you can get a 20/20/20/20 staff. Upside: one of those 20's is to all spells. Downside: you lose out on 2 energy. You can figure out from there which is better

you mean
20% recharge x 2
and
20% cast x 2?

what am i missing, i don't think thats possible. someone have a screenshot?

strcpy · Dec 24, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

ok for PvP/Pve most players dont know exactly what to bring, but here goes

For PvE many of us know it (it should be quite obvious), but if I'm getting masters on timed missions and can blow through any area I feel like (so far, only place not true has been DoA - though I never have been in The Deep or Urgoz either), why manage swapping weapons? I can carry a Rago's staff and not worry about it. It is one of the few cases where I feel just fine with a single weapon.

I don't run one of the "best" cookie cutter builds either - I see no reason too.

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

@ the guy bragging about only 2 mil exp: You really have no idea how many people are laughing at you right now because you think that means something.

I wasn't laughing, but I did find the statement amusing. My Dervish just crossed the 1 million point in 174 hours. With Faction's and Nightfall's high EXP rewards and tons of easy quests 2 million isn't that much anymore - especially if you have taken an established character from prophecies through each campaign, 2 million is actually kinda low.

Mouse at Large · Dec 24, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Personally speaking, with my current PvE setup I run 2 enchants. when I used dual attunes, I had 3 enchants, so my 20/20/20 crafters Insightful Fire Staff of Enchanting works fine for me

Caelus The Fallen · Dec 24, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

45s.
If the match is longer than 45 seconds, the pip of regen is far better than the 15 energy the focus gives you in return.

freekedoutfish · Dec 24, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Sour grapes?

I mean, instead of bashing one pity green weapon, why don't we talk about weapon mods in general?

Im not following why you think I have sour grapes?

What am I sour about?

Im not bashing the weapon in the slightest. Its a good weapon. I was comparing it to my choice of weapons and saying that I personally find it better.

That statement just made no sense.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 24, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

It is weird to make an entire topic to call 1 weapon rubish.
Who cares so much about something like that?!?!

How much time was wasted arguing about this.

Cacheelma · Dec 24, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Im not following why you think I have sour grapes?

What am I sour about?

Im not bashing the weapon in the slightest. Its a good weapon. I was comparing it to my choice of weapons and saying that I personally find it better.

That statement just made no sense.

Your topic title betrayed you, then.

N E D M · Dec 24, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Rago > the OP

Divinus Stella · Dec 24, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

First, you cant get a staff with 20/20/20/20, the 20% recharge on a staff is global, which is great for builds where your using more than 1 attribute, but for fire eles its not much use.

Secondly, i dont think the OP needs to worry about weapons, i think theres serious problems with the attributes and skill setup, if aura of restoration is on your nuking skillbar and your only running 14 fire then theres some serious issues that need to be sorted before even thinking about getting a weapon set that doesnt restrict your energy regeneration.

Carboplatin · Dec 24, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

First, you cant get a staff with 20/20/20/20, the 20% recharge on a staff is global, which is great for builds where your using more than 1 attribute, but for fire eles its not much use.

Secondly, i dont think the OP needs to worry about weapons, i think theres serious problems with the attributes and skill setup, if aura of restoration is on your nuking skillbar and your only running 14 fire then theres some serious issues that need to be sorted before even thinking about getting a weapon set that doesnt restrict your energy regeneration.

thats what i thought, if there was a 20/20/20/20 that would be my staff of choice. got me all excited for nothing.

Francis Crawford · Dec 24, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Pre-Nightfall, my core build was dual Attunements, and I ran around carrying Rago's, then switching to a wand/offhand set to maximize the chance of HSR.

Now I just gave Rago's Staff to Zhed, because I haven't bothered visiting a collector yet to stock up on offhands, and heros are bad at energy management anyway.

Oh, and I didn't buy it; it was a gift.

So was my Kindlerock. My wife used to spend so much time in Sorrow's Furnance she should have bought a condo in Deldrimor Warcamp ...

freekedoutfish · Dec 24, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Your topic title betrayed you, then.

Im still not understanding this.

What am I sour about and what in the title suggested I am?

Your suggesting im bitter about something concerning the weapon because I dont own the weapon?

Which im not.

I can more then easily make 60-70k to buy it if I was to sell stuff, so its not out of reach to me.

Your going to have to be a bit less vague about your statements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

It is weird to make an entire topic to call 1 weapon rubish.
Who cares so much about something like that?!?!

How much time was wasted arguing about this.

Because the last I checked, this was a website to have conversation about anything concerning Guild Wars.

And starting a debate about the usefullness of Rago's staff seems well within that catergory.

If you dont care about it, then dont read it or post a pointless comment such as that.

Not everything within this website has to meet your particular standards,, as to whats interesting to talk about and what isnt.

Etrik · Dec 24, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Im still not understanding this.

Try harder then, it's not rocket science.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

What am I sour about and what in the title suggested I am?

Being a noob, people pointing that out, and the rubbish part suggested that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your suggesting im bitter about something concerning the weapon because I dont own the weapon?

He didn't.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Which im not.

Good thing that you're not.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I can more then easily make 60-70k to buy it if I was to sell stuff, so its not out of reach to me.

And this bears any relevance, because?

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your going to have to be a bit less vague about your statements.

Or you can think more about what he, me and everyone else in the thread said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Because the last I checked, this was a website to have conversation about anything concerning Guild Wars.

Yes, so why don't we start a thread about counting the amount of snow flakes that fall in Kamadan per minute?

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And starting a debate about the usefullness of Rago's staff seems well within that catergory.

Every item is useful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If you dont care about it, then dont read it or post a pointless comment such as that.

Such as this thread, especially the OP (opening post, mind you).

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Not everything within this website has to meet your particular standards,, as to whats interesting to talk about and what isnt.

I love it when people can hand out advice, but never follow their own. Not everything within the game has to meet your particular standards.. as to what is useful to some elementalists and what isnt.

Reporting this thread so a mod can close it before it turns into a flame war.

freekedoutfish · Dec 24, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etrik

Try harder then, it's not rocket science.

Being a noob, people pointing that out, and the rubbish part suggested that.

He didn't.

Good thing that you're not.

And this bears any relevance, because?

Or you can think more about what he, me and everyone else in the thread said.

Yes, so why don't we start a thread about counting the amount of snow flakes that fall in Kamadan per minute?

Every item is useful.

Such as this thread, especially the OP (opening post, mind you).

I love it when people can hand out advice, but never follow their own. Not everything within the game has to meet your particular standards.. as to what is useful to some elementalists and what isnt.

Reporting this thread so a mod can close it before it turns into a flame war.

Before it turns into a flame war?

No one was flaming anyone until you posted this. I apologise to that poster who I disagreed with and misunderstood.

And you do realise what calling someone sour actually means?

Sour grapes:

"pretend disdain for something one does not or cannot have"

www.dictionary.reference.com

My statement stating that its well within my grasp was relevant to the "sour grapes" comment. Hence the not understand why the other poster make such a statement.

Whether me saying the staff is rubbish makes me noobish in your opinion, is your opinion. Your welcome to it.

But if your unable to resort to a discussion about this and you need to resort to just calling people noob, then fine. It says bucket loads about you.

And your comparing me starting a debate about Rago's staff to talking about snow flakes ingame! So your not trying to blow this out of proportion much?

Lastly; if you dont like the subject of the thread, then again, dont post in it and blatenly try to sture a flaming war yourself.